Official West Hartlepool RFC

Surely Not:-

Well Well Well,

I thought tonights game was very well contested, both sides giving their all. However a very sour taste has been left:-

Please note the 1XV selection from Darlngton Mowden Park for last Saturdays games taken directly from their website:-

Todays Team:
DMP 1st XV v Otley RFC
KO3pm @ Northern Echo Arena

15.Henry Robinson; 14.Lewis Johnston; 13.Cam Mitchell; 12.Callum Mackenzie; 11.Tom Kill; 10.Max Connon; 9. Zylon McGaffin

8.Guy van den Dries; 7.Jack Allcock; 6.Will Mcauley; 5.Chris Campbell; 4.Tailiti Vailoetti; 3.Josh Bayford; 2.Ross Doneghan; 1.Ralph Appleby

Bench:
16. Charlie Pukiss- McEndoo17. Ross White; 18.Gav Painter; 19.AJ Smith; 20.Tom Hodgeson

Surely that can't be the Gav Painter who played 35minutes of tonights pyman cup game. I do not know the lad and have no axe to grind with him but this seems a bit poor on Wests behalf:-

I wonder what the Hartlepool and District RFU will do about this and also how long my post will be on here.

Regards
Finbar



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/04/2014 20:53 by Kingies-fishcakes.

Well done west if it means that much to you to use a player from a higher league club to beat Rovers. Hope you enjoy the "victory".

All of our players are from a higher league club!!

Howay Fin....There's bound to be a plausible explaination, there always is.

Can't wait to read it though.

Touché Leg End! Your right your lads do play in a higher league and Gav Painter plays in an even higher league that that, so to play him in a 2nd team cup game makes it even worse in my opinion.

If I was Davy Tighe I would have been unhappy at coming off for a 'ringer', he was playing well and controlling the game for you in my opinion.

By that young lad CJ could shift and the full back looked a good player aswell.

Can't seem to remember Danny Quinn getting on despite being named on the bench.......(I'm fishing Quinny hahaha!)

No reply from West the silence is deafening.

Regards
Finbar



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 09:06 by Kingies-fishcakes.

Couple of points: *Davey didn't come off he went to 9.
*Quinny was carrying a knock on his
shoulder following 80 mins on Tue.
Also how does this compare to Disco playing for rovers in the Pyman last season whilst registered for a club in a higher league.....West? Just a thought. Cheers Carlo.

Without consulting the actual rules of the Pyman Cup my memory tells me that all players must be members of the club and make no mention of being registerd with a club to play league rugby which is a completely different competition.

I agree it is probably not within the spirit of the competition but it appears to be within the rules.

You lost get over it

Finbar

Same every year, the aftermath of the Pyman Cup.

Whoever ends up losing, including some of our lot when we lose, the websites start kicking off about first team players and ringers playing. I am sure if you had won the game at the death you would be looking at questions about your chosen squad. Gets boring from both camps.

If you want a bite, here we go.

As far as the eligibility is concerned, a player must be a club member and have plyed for the club one or more times.

Gav fits into both of those catagories.

Therefore I presume that as no rules have been broken, you are questioning why he was involved.

Gav for various reasons has not played a lot of Rugby lately and he has trained with us to keep his fitness up. He has also played for the stags on several occasions over the past few seasons when Mowden or Blaydon didnt have a game. As we had a large squad available he went on the bench and was to have a run out only IF we were fortunate to have a healthy lead, so that he could not influence the result, otherwise we would have started him at ten from the KO. Gav wouldnt have gone on if we were chasing the game, your choice whether you want to believe that or not.

As it happens, when we looked like we had and were pulling away from you we put him on and from then on you came back at us and scored most of your points (no influence there then, unless his defence saved the day). You had us under pressure for the full 20 mins he was on.

Anyway this is taking the gloss off a cracking game which ended up being fought to the final whistle when it looked like after 10 mins we would run a big score up.

Two good competitive sides.

This explanation probably wont be sufficient for SCH but there you go.

Forgot about Disco last year... As I said, this gets boring.

Carlo/ kolly

Disco had signed back for Rovers by the time the Pyman Cup had come around as far as I know, not 100% but think I am right in this assumption I was working away at the time.

So you seem to be implying that Gavin Painter has already signed for you from Mowden Park, even though he was in there squad last Saturday.

He doesn't play for your club at this moment in time, he may well be signing next year that is your business so once again in my opinion he shouldn't have played last night, I think that is the fact of the matter however if I am wrong I will hold my hands up.
It was a close run game and it's a shame that West saw fit to play a player from another club in what is a cup competition.

You are right west did win no arguments there but the I think that the Pyman rules state that the player must be a member and have played for the team that season. Only you can answer that question.

Gavin seem a decent lad I don't really know him and is just looking for a game like most young lads do but surely the decision must be taken by someone who runs the teams or the clubs coaches as to if he plays!

Regards
Finbar



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 09:52 by Kingies-fishcakes.

Disco had signed for Rovers last year when he played in the Pyman Shield. A fact acknowledged at the time by Dave Picken

What happears to have happened here is that a player who is registered at another club has played in the Pyman competition and the rationale is that he used to play for West and sometimes trains with them. And that is in keeping with the rules?

Been awhile since ive been on the message board but i see nothing changes! West as usual flaunt the rules and attempt to justify their actions,very badly, then wait till it all blows over ;-)

Tony Church
(The artist formerly known as Robok)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 10:11 by Ro-bok.

Just to clarify the Disco thing - seeing as how my name has been mentioned in relation to it.
Stew signed for Rovers after the transfer deadline at the end of February, which meant he was strictly speaking a West player until June when his registration became effective for Rovers.
If he had been fit he could have continued to play league games for West right until the end of the season - but not for Rovers.
When he turned out in the Pyman games we were just pleased to see him playing again to be honest.

Pyman rules

4 Eligibility of Players. Each team shall consist of 21 players including six replacements, five of which shall be trained/experienced in front row positions. Teams to consist of Club Members: a Member being one who has paid his subscriptions and played in one or more games for the said Club.

Not the best is it Dave,

I wonder how many times he has played for West this season.

I left a very sour taste in the mouth of watching Rovers fans last night and at the very least it is against the very spirit of this cup competition. I wonder what the Hartlepool and District RFU will think of this situation.

In my opinion and that all it is, is that what you did as a club last night is not in accordance with the rules and you should be kicked out of the competition for this season as Atheltic were a few seasons ago when the precedence was set.

Some of the West people I talked to found it disgraceful as well.

You wonder why teams complain about you when things like this happen.

Regards
Finbar



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 10:46 by Kingies-fishcakes.

Two questions:

1. Didn't Gavin Painter turn out for Rovers in a Boxing Day game once?

2. What was last night's score, please.

WPA,

1. Yes however this was not the Pyman cup.
2. 34 - 28 to West, I think and yes it was in the Pyman Cup

And YES a player not from your club played for West in the Pyman Cup last night.

Oh did I mention it was the Pyman Cup last night not a friendly.

Regards
Finbar

Finbar, you are deliberately choosing to ignore Dave Pickens comment...Disco was a West Player by the letter of the law when he played for Rovers in the Cup last season. This fact alone nullifies anything else you have to say in realation to Gav playing last night. Anyway as Olly said..bit boring really..it's you lot that looking a bit daft bleating about it tbh. Good game though! Carlo

Thanks. Found the score on another thread.
I think you have made your point very well but so has Olly

Carlo

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, but one final point Disco signed to Rovers by the time that we played West last year but due to RFU league requirements was unable to play in league fixtures.

Signed to Rovers but ineligable for league rugby, not signed to another club and ineligable to play league rugby.

I and many others have been disgusted by what West did last night as it was very poor and as a club I think you are in the wrong and seeing as the precedent has been set by kicking Athletic out of the competition previously I think you should be kicked out this season.

A good debate about the best competition of the season is always good and gets the blood pumping over old rivalries.

Regards
Finbar

And I agree it was a good game, with our lads coming back strong at the end but leaving ourselves a bit to much to do in the end.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 11:22 by Kingies-fishcakes.

This happens every year in one way or another because the rules are too loose and need changing.
Also my understanding was that any player who started for the first team the previous Saturday could not play in the Pyman during the following week. I was told last night that this is an unwritten rule enforced by a gentleman's agreement.
Having watched last night's game I know that West certainly enforced that - did Rovers?
Hopefully, this wont happen next season as Gav will be ineligible because he will have been playing for West 1XV the previous week.
At the time my feeling was that both Painter and Rollins were given a late run out last night once the game was resolved. They must have been on the pitch for less than 15 minutes each BUT that coincided with the Heughers best spell of the game!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 11:35 by Chocky's Butler.