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The Heughers had a bit of a rocky first half when West’s experience in the backs, with Williamson, Wallis and Hare prominent, saw them carve open the home defence to run in four tries through Williamson, Butcher (2) and Norris, Wallis kicking three conversions and a penalty.
Rovers had their moments, though, with Andrew Arnell and Michael Barnfield impressing in the backs and Howe up front putting in some tremendous tackles as well as shining in the loose. The Heughers had also been a little unlucky on a couple of occasions when knock ons went un-noticed by referee Paul Fincken and which led to tries for the Stags.
With the first forty minutes almost up, Rovers got on the scoresheet when Iain Pinchen emerged with the ball from a drive over the line.
After the break, Rovers stepped up several gears and both the pack and the backs put some promising moves together only for Thomas to touchdown for the Stags to make the score 34-5. Undaunted, the Heughers had their best spell of the game and Andrew Arnell went over from close range, Barnfield converting.
Whilst defeated, the Heughers, with several players missing, gave a good account of themselves against a very strong Stags side that included a fair number of players with considerable 1st XV experience and who, on this display, look well set to regain the Pyman Cup.
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Author: Random Task
Date: 09-04-08 23:12
sounds like a good match, but surely this should have been the final, doesnt make any sense to me having the two strongest teams meeting in a preliminary round.
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 10-04-08 06:54
Sorry but Rovers Heughers cannot be considered one of the favourites based on last nights performance. They were out played in every department
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Author: Robo-Bick the new name in policing
Date: 10-04-08 08:30
Quinny,
What are you on about....?
Rovers Heughers were the current holders of the Pyman Cup, you must be trying to get a bite off people on this board...so ok here goes!
I did not see the game, I am away working at the minute but from results this season,
Horden - Beaten twice this season
Tech - Struggling for a team
BBOB - Beaten this season
Seaton - Lost to in close game a few weeks ago.
Ath - Not played this season.
Am's - Play against Rovers 3rd's.
Old Boys 2nds - Play against Rovers 3rds.
Therefore the Heughers must have been one of the favourites.
Your lads won just be happy with that well done and good luck, oh I am sorry you are West Am's.....when it suits.
Regards
Finbar
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 10-04-08 08:52
Finbar, if you saw the game last night you would have been in dispair!! 3Ams would have probably won against the Heughers last night and that is no lie!!
Was not intended as fishing for a bite, just being frank and honest
Oh by the way, good luck for the rest of your season
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Author: Robok
Date: 10-04-08 09:20
Quinny :oD:oD to ur Ams comment . In despair I laugh even louder !! Heughers had a bad night at the office,it happens. Stags were good,the starting backline was a West first team a few seasons back. Two missed knock ons resulting in Stags tries would have narrowed the scoreline but the stags were the best team on the night and should win the Pyman Cup
Quinny you well and truely have those West goggles on now,time to pack the Ams in and put them in the cupboard.....till next time :-D
GO BOKKE
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Author: Smuddger
Date: 10-04-08 09:29
Fin this is for you.
We where beaten last night by a stronger and very well organised stags side, loosing Michel Barnfield to a dubious sin bin did not help in our efforts to stop west pushing to a 24 point lead in the first half hour.
Our second half performance was much better where the game was far more even although the lead west had taken was to much for us and there defense worked hard to keep us from getting to close despite some sustained pressure on there line we where only able to 7 points away from our best half hour where as west had taken 20 from there’s.
We where not outplayed in every department our scrumage functioned well with Oliver taking two important balls against the head, our lineout functioned well Calum taking most of our own ball and causing one or two problems on there’s.
Our backs out of character for this season where more than matched for pace and never really got onto the front foot.
We lost out to much around the fringes and west backs had pace and skill.
Calum Whitehead was my own Rovers man of the match working hard for the full 80 minutes punching above his weight (2st 5ld of it) in both defense and attack.
Oliver Dakers also had a blinder as usual.
Nicky Howe played well round the park.
Andrew Arnell was Andrew Arnell.
The lads moving up quitted themselves very well your Steven, Tyrone, Jamie and Calum never let us down.
We might not have been at full strength with Steve Wall (not totally available), Matty Wilson, Paul Dakers and Colin Watson unavailable but we still had a representative team out who where capable of giving west trouble as we did for 30 min it was unfortunate we could not have done this for longer.
Well done to the lads for keeping at it we showed some spirit in the second half and I for one am proud of the effort put in.
Basically Fin we where beaten by a good west stags side who I am sure will take some beating in this competition and even if we had been at full strength I cannot be sure final result would have been different.
I am sure quinny and one or two others will have his two peneth in but this is my own slightly biased view of the game.
Sorry to have rambled on but hopefully fin this will give you something to read indetween hiding your stein's of beer behind the curtains.
Smuddger
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Author: winged wonder
Date: 10-04-08 09:46
well said smuddger, dont forget this stags team beat their 1st team 2 weeks ago,they are a good team and good luck to them (they wont need luck) we'll see how good west 3rd team are in a fortnight quinny! :oP
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 10-04-08 09:48
Smudger, what did i say that was wrong? They were out played in all departments and honestly based on that performance they could not be considered a favourite. They might have been before last night but not based on a performance like they gave.
also you say ''I am sure quinny and one or two others will have his two peneth in but this is my own slightly biased view of the game.'' I thought that was what these message boards were for???
You getting a little bitter in your old age?
:oD:oD:oD:oD:oD:oD:oD:oD
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 10-04-08 09:48
Winged Wonder...it is the Ams in this cup please! :oP:oP:oP:oD:oD:oD
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Author: Robo-Bick the new name in policing
Date: 10-04-08 10:43
Thanks for the report Smuddger....hope the lads aren't to disheartened sounds like a bad day at the office, coupled with playing a good team.
Will see you all at the weekend hopefully, is there a game organised for the 3rds this week?
Regards
Finbar
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Author: pikey
Date: 10-04-08 11:11
Darlo at home me thinks.
Stags are good side full stop ! Think we can safely ignore the mad rantings of quinny. Callum was awesome, proving the point that the size of the lads doesnt and shouldnt matter come selection.
Ref had an ok game,missed a few knock ons (that happens) sin bin was very harsh and stags werent coming through the "gate" at the rucks. If he takes that on board hes gunna improve as a ref.
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 10-04-08 11:16
Cheers Pikey!!! Was a good game to watch but next Wed Ams v Ath should be just as good!
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Author: pikey
Date: 10-04-08 11:21
Do you live on here? you are worse than robok! Cant make the game next week,will inform the pyman committee to keep a close eye on any irregularties from the ams though.
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Author: Robok
Date: 10-04-08 11:23
Oi leave me alone,just keep on slagging quinny off ! :oD
GO BOKKE
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 10-04-08 11:39
Sat at work with 3 computers on my desk so may as well make good use of 1 and try to wind you lot up! :oD:oD:oD
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Author: Hardly independent
Date: 10-04-08 13:47
some good stuff as usual the heughers were beaten by a stronger and dare i say better organised team which reflects the committment to training i am told exists up the road but we never gave in one or two did catch the eye so to did the ref! it bodes well for next season to progress is it time to join the candy league?
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Author: Stagarooney
Date: 10-04-08 18:13
I agree about the CANDY league. Rovers should join up.
It has done us the world of good. We have to be more organised and more comitted becuase if you arent you will get a good hiding.
Well stuck at it though last night and we'll see ya for the end of season match on 19th.
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Author: Ref
Date: 10-04-08 18:24
For the record....the rovers sin bin was justified. Referes do not tolerate players disputing decisions. A warning had already been given and the same player continued. The sin bin worked as after this there was only further dissent from Rovers.
People keep stating "knock ons missed". There was only one knock missed that resulted in a try. This was as a result of me having my back to the contact area ensuring the backs where on side. I heard the crowd shout about the knock on, but would have had to make a guess.
This would not have altered the result as West appeared to be more dominant. Even though Rovers took two against the head at the scrum, West had the upper hand and controlled the scrum - maybe once two much when a free kick was given for wheeling.
Lineouts seemed to be a free for all as no team won all of their own ball.
Rucks were competed assertively by West who showed a determination to win the ball, whereas Rovers did not always compete when West were in possession.
In open play, Rovers tended to adopt a kicking game early on - kicking for the corners rather than running the ball. A few midirected kicks allowed West to counter and therefore keep possession. Once Rovers started to run with the ball, the game became more even.
Penalty count was low with both teams mostly adhering to instructions. Off side was a problem for both teams trying to get to the ball too quick.
The disallowed try by West was probably a try, but I could not give as I did not see the ball grounded - though it was more than likely that the West player got his hands to the ball before the Rovers player. This would have widened the gap.
A further West player went over the line from close range which again was probably a try that I did not give as the ball could not be seen. Instead i gave a 5m scrum indicating the ball was held up.
In summary, West were the much stronger team opting to play the ball more. One try scored from a knock would not have altered matters, and in fact the scoreline could have been a lot wider if two disallowed tries had been given.
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Author: Front Row Leg-end
Date: 10-04-08 18:34
There was some good cheating going on when they made sure your back was turned ref too...but you can't eyes in the back of your head.
That was probably a sign of the experience in the West side.
There are plans to get the Heughers into the Candy league next season.
I think as a set of individual Rovers played well, but didn't quite function as a team as well as West did.
Quinny, stop fishing - before last night there was only going to be West, Horden, Rovers or Seaton winning the trophy.
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Author: Stagarooney
Date: 10-04-08 21:30
I feel personally that the draw should have at least 2 seeds whereby they are classed as favourites based on the previous seasons performance during the season as a whole and therefor dont have to be involved in the Preliminary Round.
RE Stags vs Heughers last night a prime example. Most peoples choice for the Final i believe.
Not too sure how it would be worked, but it could be something for the Bigwigs to look into possibly.
Any Thoughts???????
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Author: good night
Date: 10-04-08 22:06
Cant seed it or you lose the magic of the cup. Just like you can't seed the FA cup. Just think if it was seeded small clubs like west amatures would never get a chance to play in a final because they would always be getting beat in the preliminarys by big clubs like Rovers
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Author: Front Row Leg-end
Date: 10-04-08 23:20
Instead of getting a bye through to the semis cos the opposition couldn't field a team?
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Author: Stan the Camel
Date: 10-04-08 23:46
Fair play to Ref to come on here and explain his decisions. I've only ever reffed footy, but even then if your view is obscured by players it's not an easy job, so well done for being big enough to come on and tell it how you saw it.
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Author: pikey
Date: 11-04-08 03:33
think he was harping on about try's he would of liked to give :-D
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Author: Smuddger
Date: 11-04-08 10:38
Re seeding idea my thoughts are.
1 Holder exempt from the preliminary round (this not because we lost I think it is unfair for the holder to have to play a game to be included).
2 Any team withdrawing the previous year is automatically put up for the preliminary round with the draw following on from that.
I feel this would sort out the draw process.
Smuddger
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Author: barney...
Date: 11-04-08 10:52
I would just like to say:
1)I was not warned at any point before the sin bin as every one will have seen. At no oint was i called over with the captain to say any more and its a yellow
2)I was simply told thats the second time yellow card (harsh but fair enough)
3)I did dispute the decision because me and callum whitehead had hold of the ball (stood up and tacklers) with one of the west players on his knees still holding on. He did not release after a good 5 seconds then we are penalised for cal being offside. Now I though he was suppost to release
4)Later in the game a west forward dived over the top at ruck and we recieved a penalty, one of our players said how many times is it going to be sir. Then the referee answered its only his second offence %-)
5)And finally Quinny are you a complete plank?X[]
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Author: clive woodwood
Date: 11-04-08 14:57
Get Back to work you Fanny
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Author: clive woodwood
Date: 11-04-08 14:59
This is Mick,
If your well enough to type you can come to work
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Author: winged wonder
Date: 11-04-08 15:14
well said barney, the answer to point 5 is a resounding yes.now think of an excuse for work your nicked! :oD:oD
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Author: Ref
Date: 11-04-08 21:21
Barney....you had not been warned but the team had. However, it was you second act of dissent.....as others will confirm I do not tolerate dissent (ask afro man as he once was on the end of my acts of discipline). As for holding on....not sure didnt see that. What you didnt see cos you were on the wrong side was a rovers player pulling down the maul on the wrong side of the maul. He was asked to leave which he didnt so I penalised. You then contested my decision (for the second time). So for the record the decision was not for offside it was pulling down the maul, which there was no way you could see as you were on side behind the maul on the correct side.
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Author: TOP BANANA
Date: 12-04-08 02:21
ooooohh Paul.
TTFN ;-)
Post Edited (12-04-08 12:43)
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Author: Front Row Leg-end
Date: 12-04-08 12:16
Fair play to Paul for explaining his decision. Not many refs would.
Barney you should know by now that the referee is sole judge of fact on the field and as such is always right even when you think he might be wrong.
Dissent in any form should not be tolerated by referees, otherwise the game would end up like football.
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Author: good night
Date: 12-04-08 12:18
Ref, you don't have to justify yourself to that little rat. You give up enough time doing a cracking job on a saturday afternoon without you having to come on here and answer to that squirt.
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Author: Robok
Date: 12-04-08 12:29
I actually agree with Barney....Quinny is a plank ! :-D
Nothing wrong with the rest of his comments either abit of debate,done in the correct manner, between refs and players can only help the game.
GO BOKKE
Post Edited (12-04-08 12:30)
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Author: Ref
Date: 12-04-08 20:08
Totally agree. Most of you know me (and just as a result of my refereeing) and I come on these sites often. Always a pleasure to enter into a debate....just wish more referees would do the same.
Sometimes some refs do not discuss decisions etc after a game and can be a vicitim of wrong comments etc on websites. I think it is only fair to discuss these things as officials, players and coaches can learn from each other.
Anyway, less of the ramble.....good luck to the club and I hope the town can still have a N2E team next season, with the second team competing within the CANDY league.
Post Edited (13-04-08 09:09)
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 12-04-08 20:16
Barney, grow up and you deserved your yellow card so take it like a man and stop whining like a little boy!
Why should a ref have to come on here to justify himself to you???
Robok, i have nothing to say to you! :oD:oD:oD:oD
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Author: good night
Date: 13-04-08 09:34
Quinny, stop pinching my lines
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Author: Barney..
Date: 13-04-08 13:59
little boy hahahaha! rather be that than a sad old man sitting having orgasms over a message board night and day mate :oD
And quinny if you read i said fair enough to the yellow. You ever played a competitive game of rugby?
Also what was said as the penalty was given before i received a yellow was; I was ok,but callum was offside now he's mulling a maul down and i was on the wrong side %-) think we where both on our side holding the ball
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Author: Ref
Date: 13-04-08 14:12
Barney....you were on the wrong side to see the offence (i.e. you were onside). Callum did not pull the maul down, but was offside. Cant remember the player who pulled the ball down as I have not seen him before, but he had been told once to leave the maul (which he didnt) then angled himself on the west side of the maul to the exten he was pulling the maul downwards.
The actual advantage I was playing was for offside. As I signalled the penalty you demonstrated dissent, therefore the actual penalty awarded was for dissent - which I do not tolerate in any form or from any player at any level.
Next time you want to start debating decisions, get your facts right and think about what was said at the time of the offence.
Post Edited (13-04-08 14:14)
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Author: winged wonder
Date: 13-04-08 15:21
apparently your not allowed to question him on your own website as well barney,cos you may not know this but he doesnt tolerate dissent in any form be it on the pitch or a week later on here!
bet he sends you off next time you play.
ref you can stop being a dick now the games over!
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Author: Andy Quinn
Date: 13-04-08 15:21
Barney, i played a higher level than you ever will. Thats why your looking at relegation next week pal, all because crap players like you try to play but can't do it very well. Grow up and shut up.
Did you actually realise i played for Rovers a few years ago when they played decent rugby? You would'nt have got in their 4th team. FACT
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Author: Egginem
Date: 13-04-08 16:16
Mr. Quin, incase you hadn't already realised, a few years ago players like Barney and myself were in the junior section.
Barney is a very good player and can adapt to new positions very well indeed throughout the back line. I have played rugby along side Barney for a few years now and i and many other players know exactly what he is capable of. He is an excellent player and i'm sure many other players and coaches at the club will agree.
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Author: Robok
Date: 13-04-08 16:48
ooooohhhhhhhh dear,I opened my mouth to early regarding decent debate X[]
Lets leave it that a players view, a refs view and supporters view are all from different perspective and angles !
And Quinny was an awesome rugby player and Barney will become an awesome player :-D
GO BOKKE
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Author: Stan the Camel
Date: 13-04-08 17:05
Well I thought it was helpful for Ref to come on here and it is a shame the thread has deteriorated rapidly - though I did notice some childish comments had been removed earlier in the week.
Still - it beats a Robok / Quinny love in!
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Author: Broken Army
Date: 13-04-08 18:12
Thats a mega bite from Mr Quinn.
Its good to see a referee come and explain his action and decisions. I had a little run in with him last year and he was good enough to offer an explanation which is more than you get from most referees.
They are only human and do make some wrong decisions, but the sooner people get used to it and let him do his job the better. Whats Quinny old saying. play to the ref?
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Author: Robok
Date: 13-04-08 18:20
bite from Quinny? Never !!!!!!! :oD:-D Cudnt agree more BA
GO BOKKE
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Author: Broken Army
Date: 13-04-08 18:21
Just so long as you aint reffing again next Saturday. :-D
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Author: Ref
Date: 13-04-08 21:39
No more pyman cup games for me this season....I was down to do one of the semi finals, but have been moved to another game on the same night.
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Author: Broken Army
Date: 13-04-08 22:18
Bet thats a relief:-)
Fair play to you explaining your decisions.
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Author: Nice one jim
Date: 14-04-08 00:04
wonder why
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Author: barney...
Date: 14-04-08 09:57
:oD:oD:oD i love it hahaha!!! hook line and sinker!! and point number 5 of my other post proven perfectly :)
If you have played at such a high level why do you talk absolute rubbish? And how long ago was this 'few year ago' because i'd say the league that rovers are in now is higher than they have been for a while! Is it not?
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Author: Robok
Date: 14-04-08 10:42
Quinny played way back before leagues were invented and it seems way back when biting WAS invented :oD
GO BOKKE
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Author: spartacus is me!
Date: 14-04-08 10:51
quinny played senior colts when i was in juniors,from what i remember he was a good player when he stopped fighting. :-))
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Author: ....
Date: 14-04-08 11:01
I seem to remember Mr Quinn playing for England Colts but kept getting sent off for fighting / knocking people out.
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Author: barney...
Date: 14-04-08 12:25
REF... I have been giving my honest opinion on the yellow card situation, I said in the first post I put on this thread 'fair enough' I got a yellow card. You wrote what you though first I simply put I thought in a reply and you don't seem to want to accept this as my opinion, so no point any one going on about it. I have not asked for any explanation I was simply giving people who weren’t on the pitch my view on the situation.
As for 'disgruntled' which is what you have put on the west site can you please explain? You said why you yellow carded me I gave my honest feelings on what happened in a reply so what is your point? If I was disgruntled I surely would have put a post on before anyone else had and it would have said your decision was wrong WHICH I HAVN'T! %-) And you said me receiving abuse from all parties? Who would that be from? I think if you read what is being said its not me receiving abuse over this. Well except from Quinny who is giving some great bites and some one who can’t even leave a name. HAHA
And for the record Cal was stood beside me and we both had hold of the ball so that means I must of also been offside like cal? A penalty was signalled and you said for offside which is why I questioned it and I'm sure cal can and will back me up on this.
It was my fault I got a yellow and I shouldn't of said anything. I did personnaly think it was the worong decision to award west a penalty however I should of kept that to my self. I did say something because west seemed to be getting an aweful lot of questionable penalties around the ruck and maul situation. Again this is up to the referee not me. However on this thread I haven’t said any other than what i felt happened, I haven’t questioned, I have simply gave my opinion in a reply to what other people have said
X[]
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Author: Afrokid
Date: 14-04-08 12:29
Nice paragraphing there michael. A very detailed article... %-)
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Author: barney...
Date: 14-04-08 12:31
Very good isnt it haha I was quite good at english in school when i think about it :oP
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Author: clive woodwood
Date: 14-04-08 15:31
Get back to work you lazy, good for nothing thicko, who keeps getting sin binned!!!
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Author: Ref
Date: 14-04-08 19:08
Post Edited (14-04-08 19:39)
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Author: winged wonder
Date: 14-04-08 19:14
paul, i think its time to call this one a day, its good to come on and give an explanation but its just dragging on now.
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Author: Ref
Date: 14-04-08 19:19
totally agree....
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Author: The Umpa Lumpa
Date: 17-04-08 00:34
Thank god. I was getting sick of the Pooly crack :oP
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Author: Pinot
Date: 18-04-08 20:55
What planet does barney live on, doesn't he realise if his opinion differs to that of the Ref, by default he is saying the Ref got it wrong. Go and suck a toffee and get on with your life.
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Author: barney..
Date: 18-04-08 21:35
And did I say my opinion was right? %-) I said my oppinion on what happened was different to that of the refs, I could be completely wrong or I could be completely right ;-)I'll suck on a toffee and you suck on what you suck on best ;-)
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Author: Pinot
Date: 18-04-08 23:44
Err Dohh!!! - Confirmed "Planet Zog"
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Author: Front Row Leg-end
Date: 19-04-08 07:08
Barney,
As far as a ref is concerned on he pitch he is the only one that is right.
Remember what you've been taught since about 13 years old. it might be difficult to accept a refs decision if you think that the ref might have got it wrong but it's something you have to learn to do.
A ref in a rugby match is like the weather conditions, you can't change the way they are so you just have to play to them.
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